" A consensus is emerging that the DOJ must indict Trump if the evidence warrants prosecution."
The last five words!...and especially "if"???
Is there any doubt that top secret documents that belong to the US government were found at TFG's home? In his personal closet, no less?
Is there any question that those documents belong in the National Archives? Not in a personal home!
Is there any question that TFG was no longer the President (for many months!) when those documents were found?
Good grief..."IF THE EVIDENCE"? What else does one need to confirm a crime has been committed? What further evidence could there be that would be more convincing? A video of TFG actually loading the stuff into a truck?
All this dancing around a clear crime committed with impunity and continuing arrogance (no denial!) is maddening and undermining faith in the American justice system, for sure. We are running out of time and we are losing patience. AG and DOJ: do your job!
I am searching for the logic here. Could it be that Fanni Willis in Georgia has the most powerful case that would bring the longest sentence? And has she appealed to Garland to pause? I have no idea. But I do know that the entire world is looking at this situation with stunned amusement and terror. How many countries would let such an obvious crook off the hook? A coup plotter. A thief of top secret documents. A meddler in elections. Does anyone else wake up every day and want to scream "I am mad as hell, and I won't take it anymore?"
I am the most patient person I know. Except for my wife whose middle name should be Patience. But I have had it. Just plain have had it. Disgusted and discouraged beyond words. OK, I'll quit now.
What an excellent reflection on disinformation. I confess that I was unfamiliar with Shakespeare’s play, although I am familiar with English history. Yours is the first comment that I’ver seen to point out that disinformation is nothing new. Bad actors and mobsters are certainly nothing new.
As a child, I loved school. I loved learning to read. So many stories out there, just waiting for me. I wanted to be a teacher too, just like my mother, the best teacher EVER. I became a teacher because I wanted to to make the world a little better. I wanted to help children learn to read, so they could access some of life’s opportunities. I knew I would not make a lot of money, but I thought I could make a decent living. I might have been wrong. How many of you needed a university degree for a job that if you had a family, qualified you for food stamps? That was 46 years ago; now look where we are!!
Not only do educators get no respect with regard to pay; they get attacked in NC by the legislature, having benefits and job opportunities stripped away by provisions buried in a multi purpose bill. The amount of vitriol directed at people who only want to help others is staggering.
On Teachers! Pleased you mentioned their plight! I was privileged to teach for 41 years at the high school level.
However today’s public education environment has been tainted, stifled, in some cases made toxic by Republican control of budgets at the state level; an incompetent Sec of Education for 4 years at the federal level; and elected officials at every level who wallow in the gun lobby money while school children get slaughtered by insane perpetrators using automatic weapons firing ammo that is designed to shred the body!
I live on the NC coast, famous for its storms. When a hurricane is forecast, you make preparations to minimize damage. With regard to indicting Trump, I say prepare and batten down the hatches. Enough of “It’s a witch hunt!”
Lindsey Graham recently commented that there would be riots in the street if Trump is indicted and the NYT referenced possible violence. I’m sorry that is intimidation something that is a core principle of MAGA and it’s has to stop. Republican legislators are being intimidated not only at the Federal level but also at the state level. Anyone who tells the truth and stands up for Democracy does so at the risk of possible intimidation tactics. Beginning with the Mueller investigation law bidding citizens who have done their jobs and came forward and were attacked by right week media and social media or fired. The battle against truth and justice is intimidation and Trump is the bandleader. Everyone and I mean everyone is afraid of him. This has to end and I pray that Garland has the fortitude and the guts to do the right thing based on facts and the law and steps forward to announce loud and clear “ we will not be intimidated and no one is above the law. “. We need to take a stand and the time is now.
In my view, not prosecuting Trump would be tantamount to not treating someone dying of cancer. Recent events have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump and his cronies are malignant tumors afflicting the body politic, poisoning the processes of democracy with lies and hateful propaganda, undermining the foundations of the Constitution, threatening our national security and bending the rule of law to suit the nefarious purposes of a narcissistic miscreant unfit for public office at any level. If indicting Trump triggers a "storm," so be it. But it will have to be a powerful one, accompanied by a lot of thunder and lightning. In view of the fascist intentions and bullying tactics of the GOP now held in the grip of Trumpism, a violent confrontation may be the only solution, the inevitable and necessary elixir, as you say, to clear the "foul sky."
With all due respect to President Biden, I have to admit that I'm at odds with his term "semi-fascists" in identifying the GOP's intentions regarding their assault on Democracy. There's nothing "semi" or "flacid" about the rape of Liberty and our Democratic freedoms being attempted by these people. Given the polarization that prevails in today's political climate, there's no conciliatory nuance at play in the machinations of the GOP, just as there's no such thing as a semi-malignant tumor. So, Mr. President, let's call the enemy what they truly and fully are: Fascists, with a capital "F," enemies of freedom who promote the far-right ideology of populist ultra-nationalism (MAGA) and authoritarian rule that suppresses opposition and subordinates individual freedom for the benefit of a corporatized, elite class. That's not what I signed up for when I took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Nor did I elect to live in a "semi-democracy," run by "semi-fascists." Trump has drawn a line in the sacred TERRA FIRMA of the USA and it's time for Americans to decide which side they're on: a Fascist oligarchy ruled by the wealthy, or a democratic republic managed for the benefit of the Common Good by We, the People! Now that's a "stormy' prospect.
In July, my son and I saw an outdoor production of King John in Connecticut. Wow, dark! And yes, related and dare I say that I hope 45...
Also this summer, we saw Richard III at Shakespeare in the Park. Wow, again! Totally played to signify a relation to 45, including a scene where Richard holds up a bible, like 45 in front of the church in DC in middle of BLM protest.
Rick Wilson just posted this and it sums up what Robert said in Today’s Edition. “ The danger of his people rising up if he's indicted, prosecuted, and imprisoned is far, far less consequential than walking away from justice.” Amen.
As a teacher in Oklahoma in the 60's and 70's, many of us relied on the commentary of Frosty Troy, publisher of The Oklahoma Observer.
Here is an excerpt sample of his work: " With all its warts, public education produces more math and science brains than all of the private education combines. From astronauts to Pulitzer prize winners, from Nobel laureates to the clergy, they are in the front rank. The public school day may not start with a Hail Mary or an Our Father, a mantra or a blood sacrifice, But public education does more humanitarian work every day than any other institution in American - and that includes the churches."
Aug 29, 2022·edited Aug 29, 2022Liked by Robert B. Hubbell
It may seem unnecessary, especially to readers here, but educating the public on the most basic aspects of the law (what is theft), the jobs of the DOJ, the National Archives, the FBI, the magistrates, etc. are necessary to preempt the reflexive response to indictment and whatever else will follow.
Civics should have been taught in school, but perhaps deliberately to make possible a situation such as we have now, it has not been for some time. Teaching the basics without including specific examples (names ie, Clinton, Trump, Hunter) that get people to reflexively take sides, is needed, followed by a basic quiz...If a person steals and hides material that don't belong to them have they committed a crime? ....If a person tries to stop government procedures is it a crime? ....
Very basic stuff. I propose this be done as national television show in an entertaining fashion, perhaps using the "are you smarter than a third grader" approach.
As a citizens we should first agree on what that means. Then we can deal with the crimes.
Yesterday's breakfast conversation revealed how disgusted many business conservatives are, with the current crop of Republican nominees, across the board. The people with whom I spoke are becoming inured to the prospects of INCREASED Democratic dominance of the House and Senate-and more Democratic governors.
It could well be that the judge in the Mar-a-Lago documents case is calling Trump's bluff, will listen on Thursday to the DOJ objections, and conclude that a Special Master in this case would be a waste of taxpayer dollars, to which the same people who are screaming about the "inequity" of student loan forgiveness will yell that the Special Master is a good investment. I long ago ceased to be surprised by anything Trump does.
Trump took the documents...not his...ours. He was asked to return them. He did not.
It is a crime to take them. They were highly classified docs. An even larger crime. Indict and prosecute. Waiting for or searching for a flimsy excuse as to why he took them is pointless right now. He can offer that under oath at the trial. I rest my case.
Wonderful letter, as usual! I'm especially appreciative of the allusions to Shakespeare. Nothing new under the sun... Ecclesiastes 1:9 certainly influenced him: "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
With the help of all of us, we will come out stronger. Thank you for your guidance, Robert!
Lindsey should be concerned about the safety of the United States and of the brave people who work with us under dangerous circumstances. Instead he is defending the mob boss. South Carolina should have sent him packing when they had the chance. This moment in time will reveal those who are traitors to our country.
" A consensus is emerging that the DOJ must indict Trump if the evidence warrants prosecution."
The last five words!...and especially "if"???
Is there any doubt that top secret documents that belong to the US government were found at TFG's home? In his personal closet, no less?
Is there any question that those documents belong in the National Archives? Not in a personal home!
Is there any question that TFG was no longer the President (for many months!) when those documents were found?
Good grief..."IF THE EVIDENCE"? What else does one need to confirm a crime has been committed? What further evidence could there be that would be more convincing? A video of TFG actually loading the stuff into a truck?
All this dancing around a clear crime committed with impunity and continuing arrogance (no denial!) is maddening and undermining faith in the American justice system, for sure. We are running out of time and we are losing patience. AG and DOJ: do your job!
I am searching for the logic here. Could it be that Fanni Willis in Georgia has the most powerful case that would bring the longest sentence? And has she appealed to Garland to pause? I have no idea. But I do know that the entire world is looking at this situation with stunned amusement and terror. How many countries would let such an obvious crook off the hook? A coup plotter. A thief of top secret documents. A meddler in elections. Does anyone else wake up every day and want to scream "I am mad as hell, and I won't take it anymore?"
I am the most patient person I know. Except for my wife whose middle name should be Patience. But I have had it. Just plain have had it. Disgusted and discouraged beyond words. OK, I'll quit now.
What an excellent reflection on disinformation. I confess that I was unfamiliar with Shakespeare’s play, although I am familiar with English history. Yours is the first comment that I’ver seen to point out that disinformation is nothing new. Bad actors and mobsters are certainly nothing new.
As a child, I loved school. I loved learning to read. So many stories out there, just waiting for me. I wanted to be a teacher too, just like my mother, the best teacher EVER. I became a teacher because I wanted to to make the world a little better. I wanted to help children learn to read, so they could access some of life’s opportunities. I knew I would not make a lot of money, but I thought I could make a decent living. I might have been wrong. How many of you needed a university degree for a job that if you had a family, qualified you for food stamps? That was 46 years ago; now look where we are!!
Not only do educators get no respect with regard to pay; they get attacked in NC by the legislature, having benefits and job opportunities stripped away by provisions buried in a multi purpose bill. The amount of vitriol directed at people who only want to help others is staggering.
I love starting my morning with a cup of strong coffee and a lesson from Shakespeare. Thank you!
On Teachers! Pleased you mentioned their plight! I was privileged to teach for 41 years at the high school level.
However today’s public education environment has been tainted, stifled, in some cases made toxic by Republican control of budgets at the state level; an incompetent Sec of Education for 4 years at the federal level; and elected officials at every level who wallow in the gun lobby money while school children get slaughtered by insane perpetrators using automatic weapons firing ammo that is designed to shred the body!
Hey, now that’s a job I want, not!
I live on the NC coast, famous for its storms. When a hurricane is forecast, you make preparations to minimize damage. With regard to indicting Trump, I say prepare and batten down the hatches. Enough of “It’s a witch hunt!”
Lindsey Graham recently commented that there would be riots in the street if Trump is indicted and the NYT referenced possible violence. I’m sorry that is intimidation something that is a core principle of MAGA and it’s has to stop. Republican legislators are being intimidated not only at the Federal level but also at the state level. Anyone who tells the truth and stands up for Democracy does so at the risk of possible intimidation tactics. Beginning with the Mueller investigation law bidding citizens who have done their jobs and came forward and were attacked by right week media and social media or fired. The battle against truth and justice is intimidation and Trump is the bandleader. Everyone and I mean everyone is afraid of him. This has to end and I pray that Garland has the fortitude and the guts to do the right thing based on facts and the law and steps forward to announce loud and clear “ we will not be intimidated and no one is above the law. “. We need to take a stand and the time is now.
In my view, not prosecuting Trump would be tantamount to not treating someone dying of cancer. Recent events have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump and his cronies are malignant tumors afflicting the body politic, poisoning the processes of democracy with lies and hateful propaganda, undermining the foundations of the Constitution, threatening our national security and bending the rule of law to suit the nefarious purposes of a narcissistic miscreant unfit for public office at any level. If indicting Trump triggers a "storm," so be it. But it will have to be a powerful one, accompanied by a lot of thunder and lightning. In view of the fascist intentions and bullying tactics of the GOP now held in the grip of Trumpism, a violent confrontation may be the only solution, the inevitable and necessary elixir, as you say, to clear the "foul sky."
With all due respect to President Biden, I have to admit that I'm at odds with his term "semi-fascists" in identifying the GOP's intentions regarding their assault on Democracy. There's nothing "semi" or "flacid" about the rape of Liberty and our Democratic freedoms being attempted by these people. Given the polarization that prevails in today's political climate, there's no conciliatory nuance at play in the machinations of the GOP, just as there's no such thing as a semi-malignant tumor. So, Mr. President, let's call the enemy what they truly and fully are: Fascists, with a capital "F," enemies of freedom who promote the far-right ideology of populist ultra-nationalism (MAGA) and authoritarian rule that suppresses opposition and subordinates individual freedom for the benefit of a corporatized, elite class. That's not what I signed up for when I took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Nor did I elect to live in a "semi-democracy," run by "semi-fascists." Trump has drawn a line in the sacred TERRA FIRMA of the USA and it's time for Americans to decide which side they're on: a Fascist oligarchy ruled by the wealthy, or a democratic republic managed for the benefit of the Common Good by We, the People! Now that's a "stormy' prospect.
In July, my son and I saw an outdoor production of King John in Connecticut. Wow, dark! And yes, related and dare I say that I hope 45...
Also this summer, we saw Richard III at Shakespeare in the Park. Wow, again! Totally played to signify a relation to 45, including a scene where Richard holds up a bible, like 45 in front of the church in DC in middle of BLM protest.
These bad kings do not come to a good end. 😀
Rick Wilson just posted this and it sums up what Robert said in Today’s Edition. “ The danger of his people rising up if he's indicted, prosecuted, and imprisoned is far, far less consequential than walking away from justice.” Amen.
As a teacher in Oklahoma in the 60's and 70's, many of us relied on the commentary of Frosty Troy, publisher of The Oklahoma Observer.
Here is an excerpt sample of his work: " With all its warts, public education produces more math and science brains than all of the private education combines. From astronauts to Pulitzer prize winners, from Nobel laureates to the clergy, they are in the front rank. The public school day may not start with a Hail Mary or an Our Father, a mantra or a blood sacrifice, But public education does more humanitarian work every day than any other institution in American - and that includes the churches."
More of his life and work can be found at http://www.populist.com/02.4.troy.html
It may seem unnecessary, especially to readers here, but educating the public on the most basic aspects of the law (what is theft), the jobs of the DOJ, the National Archives, the FBI, the magistrates, etc. are necessary to preempt the reflexive response to indictment and whatever else will follow.
Civics should have been taught in school, but perhaps deliberately to make possible a situation such as we have now, it has not been for some time. Teaching the basics without including specific examples (names ie, Clinton, Trump, Hunter) that get people to reflexively take sides, is needed, followed by a basic quiz...If a person steals and hides material that don't belong to them have they committed a crime? ....If a person tries to stop government procedures is it a crime? ....
Very basic stuff. I propose this be done as national television show in an entertaining fashion, perhaps using the "are you smarter than a third grader" approach.
As a citizens we should first agree on what that means. Then we can deal with the crimes.
Yesterday's breakfast conversation revealed how disgusted many business conservatives are, with the current crop of Republican nominees, across the board. The people with whom I spoke are becoming inured to the prospects of INCREASED Democratic dominance of the House and Senate-and more Democratic governors.
It could well be that the judge in the Mar-a-Lago documents case is calling Trump's bluff, will listen on Thursday to the DOJ objections, and conclude that a Special Master in this case would be a waste of taxpayer dollars, to which the same people who are screaming about the "inequity" of student loan forgiveness will yell that the Special Master is a good investment. I long ago ceased to be surprised by anything Trump does.
Trump took the documents...not his...ours. He was asked to return them. He did not.
It is a crime to take them. They were highly classified docs. An even larger crime. Indict and prosecute. Waiting for or searching for a flimsy excuse as to why he took them is pointless right now. He can offer that under oath at the trial. I rest my case.
Wonderful letter, as usual! I'm especially appreciative of the allusions to Shakespeare. Nothing new under the sun... Ecclesiastes 1:9 certainly influenced him: "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
With the help of all of us, we will come out stronger. Thank you for your guidance, Robert!
Stephen mentioned Lindsey Graham’s despicable comments. Here is the link to the story: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-today-rally-schedule-fbi-raid-b2154734.html?amp
Lindsey should be concerned about the safety of the United States and of the brave people who work with us under dangerous circumstances. Instead he is defending the mob boss. South Carolina should have sent him packing when they had the chance. This moment in time will reveal those who are traitors to our country.