We must not lose sight of the fact that as outrageous as the Republican nominees' lies and fantasies are, they're still consuming most of the oxygen. It takes the focus away from VP Harris at a time when voters need to get to know her. So we should put our efforts into supporting her and Tim, and let their opponents self-destruct on their own.
The difference in this election will be the small percentage of voters in 6-7 states who see through the Republican depravity and danger and when given a choice select a candidate they feel in their gut they can trust and will do the right thing.
I agree. MAGA supporters may love him for their individual reasons, but the Dems are the same in their love for the Harris/Walz ticket. I think that we will win everywhere. I think that the kindness in the people who are supporting Harris/Walz, from both parties and independents, is greater than the hate in the people rooting for the hate-filled MAGA's. The number of Republicans openly supporting the Harris/Walz ticket shows that kind people are tired of being assumed to be otherwise simply because they are quiet Republicans. Now they are speaking out. Now greater numbers of young people are registering to vote. Right now there is a phenomenon opposing the hateful phenomenon that he represents. We are repulsed by that hate. We are rising up!
Harris is a damn good speaker, and it's obvious she supports policies that lift people up. She wants to make life better for ordinary Americans, as Biden has done with policies like the Inflation Reduction Act partly because it's the right thing to do--people in Scandinavian countries are happier than people elsewhere because they don't have to worry about paying medical bills, losing their homes, and paying for their childrens' education, and those countries are thriving.
I sometimes try to imagine how it would feel not to be constantly stressed by those things. We ended up paying $400,000 in medical expenses for our child with multiple birth defects, and came very close to losing our home in the process. Her college tuition (it took her 6 years to complete -- but she did!!!) cost close to $100,000. I am 71 years old, and will be paying our mortgage for the next 14 years, which I can't do, so am sadly putting our home of 35 years on the market. STRESS has been a daily factor for me for the past 30 years. I know that it has contributed to the multiple autoimmune disease that I have to deal with on a daily basis.
I'm sorry to hear how hard you're struggling, but your story is not unique. I won't pay off my mortgage before I die, so the bank will get the house back, and I stress constantly about having enough money to pay the mortgage, buy food, just meet the basic necessities. I'm Trump's age, and I'm struggling because of the GOP policies that always always ALWAYS help the rich and hurt people like you and me. Stress is a daily visitor, so I understand your despair and frustration You're not alone, and you're stronger than you think. Congrats to your daughter for getting her degree, and all the best to you.
I am so sorry that the stress has so impacted your life and your well being. I feel it too and I'm sure the constant chaos and uncertainty are a major factor in the health issues I too am facing. Kudos to your family and your daughter! That is such a positive story to share!
this certainly sounds terribly stressful. I hope you have friends near you who you can blow off steam with. Too many people in our country just do'nt understand how much better off we'd be with more of a Scandinavian type of system.
We need the Trifecta. If we don't win the House and keep the Senate, having the Presidency will be negated. I hope Harris/Walz go to Montana and Ohio, specifically to rally for Jon Tester and Sherrod Brown.
Right now it seems like the issues of immigrants and abortion are vying for each other. Which will win out. We need to amplify these stories so people are clear that fear of others is not greater then fear of ones own health care being destroyed.
What do you mean? I know both Dems and Republicans care about each one, but I assume they will pick one to care about more, or how do you see these issues adding to each other?
I'm afraid that many (most?) of my Republican friends seem to still want to hang their hats on immigration...which is to say "fear". No matter what positive comments I might gently introduce into a conversation...the economy, the stock market, jobs reports..etc....they always fall back on "Yeah, but, what about the border." It's like a knee jerk reaction, as illogical (and nowadays, incorrect) as it is. They seem to like to have simple answers, I think. I remain optimistic that they may come to their senses! (and just not want to admit they've changed their minds!).
Brewmaster, It is unfortunate that the Democrats have allowed Republicans to define the immigration issue and they need to do so now. Forcing women to have babies is not happening, not in any country that has embraced birtherism, like Russia, and Hungary. In both of those countries, no matter what they do, they cannot get women to have more babies, in fact the circumstances they set up turn off women from having children. The same is happening here. Women who are well off maybe comfortable having a lot of children, the rest are not. So, if there are to be more babies of any kind and color, we need to be making this country more attractive to women to raise children in. Historically, even when abortion was illegal nationally, when there were hard times the rate of babies went down. That is what Russians have, what Hungarians have, what we will be having in a more pronounced way with Trump. At the same time we do not have enough Americans to keep our country running like it is. Get rid of immigrants like Trump plans to do and we will have a third world economy at best. ****
I live in Germany and the US. I have no Republican friends in either country and I believe you, but I did read this essay that explained why a lot of Trumpers are loyal to him and it has nothing to do with what will benefit them. It has to do with him valuing what they feel they represent. Here it is.
Reader comment by Robert Ritchie in Joyce Vance’s Substack on Sept 9, 2024
The Cult of Opposition: Understanding the Psychology Behind Trump’s Supporters
In modern political discourse, the relationship between leaders and their supporters often reflects a symbiotic exchange—one of mutual benefit. Typically, a leader provides tangible improvements to the supporters’ lives, who in turn offer their allegiance. However, Donald Trump's presidency introduced a paradigm shift that baffled many analysts. A significant portion of Trump’s base does not measure his success by what he does *for* them, but rather by what he does against those they consider adversaries. This phenomenon raises a critical question: why do Trump's supporters define his success not by policy achievements or personal benefit but by his ability to antagonize perceived enemies? In this research paper, we explore the psychology, sociocultural factors, and communication strategies behind this phenomenon, offering a deep dive into the mechanisms that sustain this unwavering loyalty.
The Psychology of "Othering"
At the heart of this dynamic lies a fundamental psychological concept known as *othering.* Othering refers to the process of creating a division between "us" and "them," where "them" are people deemed different or antagonistic to one's own group. Social identity theory posits that individuals derive part of their self-worth from their membership in groups (Tajfel & Turner, 1979). When Trump attacks certain groups—be they immigrants, Democrats, or marginalized communities—his supporters feel that their in-group (conservative, predominantly white Americans) is being validated. The "other," typically those outside their cultural or political bubble, becomes a target of scorn and aggression. By constantly positioning himself against these groups, Trump reassures his supporters that they are on the winning side of a cultural war.
This is where the success metrics diverge from typical political calculations. Success, in the eyes of Trump's supporters, is not rooted in economic growth or policy achievements, but in the symbolic victories won over those they disdain. Trump’s antagonistic rhetoric serves as a rallying cry for a base that measures success by how effectively he torments the "other."
Fear as a Unifying Emotion
The divisiveness Trump exploits is not built solely on disdain for others but on deep-rooted fear. Research has shown that political conservatism often correlates with heightened fear responses (Hibbing, Smith, & Alford, 2014). These fears manifest in concerns over demographic changes, perceived threats to cultural identity, and economic anxiety—particularly in the wake of globalization and immigration. For Trump’s base, he offers not only validation of their fears but also an outlet for their anxiety: the vilification of outsiders.
By acting against these outsiders—whether through harsh immigration policies, vilification of the media, or incendiary tweets targeting "leftist elites"—Trump provides a sense of catharsis to his supporters. It’s not about building bridges or creating new opportunities; it’s about protecting their identity and keeping perceived threats at bay. In their minds, Trump’s success is defined by his defense of the status quo against forces of change.
The Appeal of a Strongman
This dynamic is exacerbated by the allure of authoritarian leadership, often characterized by a leader who promises protection and order while silencing dissent. Trump's rhetoric—filled with hyperbole, aggressive language, and dismissive attitudes toward political correctness—resonates deeply with those who feel disempowered by societal changes. Studies have shown that authoritarian personalities are drawn to leaders who project strength and offer simple, binary solutions to complex problems (Feldman, 2003). Trump’s combative style against the "other" fits neatly into this framework.
In this context, Trump is seen as the protector, someone who will go to any length to defend his supporters from external threats. His aggressive behavior—though often condemned by critics—is perceived by his base as a strength. In their eyes, his relentless attacks on groups like the media, the "deep state," or racial minorities are evidence of his success as a leader willing to do whatever it takes to secure their safety and identity.
The Role of Media and Propaganda
An essential factor in maintaining this dynamic is the role of right-wing media in amplifying Trump’s actions *against* others while downplaying or ignoring any lack of substantive achievements. Fox News, Breitbart, and other conservative outlets often frame Trump’s attacks on immigrants, liberals, and the media as necessary battles in a larger cultural war. Through selective reporting, these outlets reinforce the idea that Trump’s presidency is less about improving the lives of his supporters through policy and more about the symbolic victories he achieves through opposition to their perceived enemies.
Trump himself understood the power of media manipulation, often stoking controversy to keep his name in the headlines. As noted by philosopher Hannah Arendt, in authoritarian regimes, propaganda serves to simplify the world into friend versus foe (Arendt, 1951). By keeping the public focused on his skirmishes against the "other," Trump ensured that his base remained engaged and energized, even when his policies provided little material benefit to their lives.
The Social Contract of Aggrievement
This relationship between Trump and his supporters can be understood as a kind of *social contract of aggrievement.* While traditional politicians offer economic benefits, infrastructure improvements, or social programs, Trump offers emotional validation. His base, particularly those who feel marginalized by economic shifts or demographic changes, finds solace in his outward displays of aggression. His ability to provoke outrage in the "other" reassures them that they are still relevant in a world they fear is changing too fast.
Interestingly, this contract does not require Trump to follow through on traditional metrics of success like job creation or healthcare reform. His supporters are not primarily concerned with how he improves their lives directly. Instead, they focus on how he reinforces their worldview—one where they are under constant attack and where Trump is their defender. This emotional satisfaction creates a loyalty that transcends policy, rooted instead in the shared sense of grievance and resentment.
Conclusion: A Loyalty That Transcends
In understanding Trump’s success, it is critical to recognize the unique metrics by which his supporters measure his achievements. His base does not primarily seek economic relief or policy victories; they seek validation of their fears and grievances. By acting *against* the "other," Trump provides emotional and psychological sustenance that traditional political figures often fail to deliver. His success, therefore, lies in his ability to symbolize and enact opposition rather than constructively improve the lives of his supporters. As long as Trump continues to antagonize those perceived as threats, his base will remain loyal, even in the absence of tangible benefits.
In the end, the tormenting of the "others" does more than sustain them—it defines them.
I"m totally with you on abortion. In fact, in tenth grade, for an assignment in my French class, to write about a cause we felt was very important, I wrote about the need for abortion.
But regarding immigration, we can't keep growing the population, or we will inflict ecological death on our country. In fact, not just in the US, but in Europe as well, and undoubtedly in China, the numbers of insects have shrunk to about half of what there were 50-60 years ago. Not surprisingly in a case like this, so have the numbers of all animals--mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish...
Several years ago, scientists published an article in Nature, one of the world's premier scientific journals, warning that population growth would make pandemics more frequent.
And among the major industrialized nations, the US, it should be noted, has the greatest per capita resource use and greenhouse emissions. If the whole world consumed at the rate of Americans, it would take 5 Earths to support the human population.
Just in case you're wondering, I'm not a Republican. My whole extended family, on both sides, are all democrats. My mother's uncle ran the Colorado Democratic Party for most of the first half of the 20th century. As a lawyer, he also litigated against the Klan.
I suspect I had the first HARRIS bumper sticker. I was so excited--unexpectedly so--when Biden passed the torch that I home-made it, and affixed it to the rear bumper on my Civic the day after Biden passed the torch. I'm extremely impressed with her, and I've given more money to her (and Biden, which of course went to her) and to other organizations such as Airlift.fund that are working on finding grass roots people who know how best to get people to vote Democratic. And I tell people that Biden was the best president of my lifetime--which began the first summer of the Eisenhower Administration.
As for anti-immigration feelings, I can tell you that my family of origin lived in Paris the year I was 12. I was mystified by the fact that the Parisians seemed to dislike Americans. As a kid, I used to approach foreigners and ask them about themselves--I was interested in them. No French person ever approached me in Paris.
I do understand it now. Paris was flooded with Americans, and the sheer numbers upset French people, along with their frequent lack of respect for French culture.
I do think that in this election, preserving Democracy is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than reducing immigration. Without Democracy, our hands are tied.
Brewmaster. The simple response on immigration is, “Why do tomatoes cost so much? Answer, there’s no body to pick them. Where do we find find people willing to pick? I’ll wait here for your answer”
Dave. Yup. In 2011, Georgia tried to crack down on illegal immigrants, relying on local workers to harvest crops. I believe workers showed up for less than a month resulting in rotting crops. A link to the story is below.
Also, add in child care, house cleaning, building cleaning, meat industry, all crops, etc... people in agriculture know this, and yet, what do they believe about immigrants?
If that doesn't convince them, then ask why, when you've presented facts they should find reassuring, they continue to cling to beliefs that scare them. See if you can find out WHY they prefer to live in fear. Most Rs seem to be frightened of everything. It would be interesting to find out why.
I'm a Democrat who wants to see the US population stabilized--and there are plenty more like me. That would mean greatly reducing immigration--for environmental and quality of life reasons.
But more than anything else, I want us to retain our Democracy, and I want to see our president and our representatives pass policies that will lift people up. That means we need to elect Harris and Walz, and we need people on Capitol Hill--Democrats--who will support their policies.
The Supreme Court as it's currently constituted scares the crap out of me, but I'm so grateful to President Biden for having put Ketanji Brown Jackson--a brilliant Black woman who wants the best for Americans--on the Court.
I give $84/year to NumbersUSA, an immigration reduction group. But this year I've given over $700 to electing Democrats--the most I've ever given. (I gave around $500 in 2020.) And my donations may yet reach $800. I'm not supporting any GOPers. If we lose our Democracy, we've lost everything.
It's obvious that there are at least a few Republicans who care about maintaining our Democracy--Liz and Dick Cheney, for example. I hope there are more of them than we realize.
I am not sure if it is "fear" of the other as much as "anger". I listened to an interesting interview of author Arlie Hochschild, a sociologist, on NPR's "Here and Now" yesterday. The story is part of the series "Asking Appalachia: Coal, Trump and the politics of Eastern Kentucky." She spent 10 years in the area, and has written two books on the region. I would highly recommend listening to this explanation of why, and how, a significant demographic connects with T...'s rhetoric. https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2024/09/13/eastern-kentucky-shame-trump
Robin, the people who believe that millions of illegals are flooding our borders and drove trucks to stop them and then did not see a single one, are gullible and a danger. It might be fear or anger which is making these people so dangerous, but I feel that the paper makes a good case for the generic support of Trump. It is saying they fear that they are losing their relevance and that might make them angry. So, it would be an anger driven by fear of no longer being what they thought they were.
Thanks for publicizing my long-ago Berkeley professor's latest work (I took her class in 1974 or 1975). I was unaware of this but I will certainly listen! She also did some similar work in areas along the Mississippi River, which she wrote up in Strangers in their Own Land, which came out in the mid '10s. And, as an FYI, she's now 84 years old, and she just came out with the new book. Here's the NYT review, dated Sept 10:
It is necessary not to just talk about what is being done but also about what the trajectory leads to. What will be next beyond the immediate violence? What follows saying that migrants are vile creatures that steal pets to eat them?
The time to speak about the next steps is when we see the road that leads to them. Now is the time to talk about the mass deportations and purges and camps that an authoritarian will give us. If the candidate dehumanizes and promises retribution and deportations we need to take it seriously and make clear how deadly dangerous this will be for everyone, even those on the same side as the authoritarian.
There is plenty of history for reference. Roundups, deportations and purges are not new and we have evidence they are not done with care. No one is safe. Is there a neighbor or co-worker who might turn you in? There will be no one to go to and appeal that a mistake was made. The danger is around the corner. Let’s describe it now that we see it.
I'm feeling like it's finally (!!!) the Year of the Woman. Including being able to indict a mess like Looney Loomer! Women this year are being seen as people first! Do you know what I mean? Kamala is holding her own. Taylor Swift is elegant and strong. Hillary Clinton has found her likable voice. We are being heard over the bluster of hot air bags like Trump and Vance and Cruz and the entourage of white men who want to put women and all other people in marginalized groups on the sidelines. I think we are being supported by white men strong and secure enough to let women rule. It took a long time, baby, but women have been willing to aim high, get up after being knocked down, and the world is ready for hands of all kinds to join together. America, the beautiful!
I think you hit the nail on the head, Janet: "Women this year are being seen as people first!" I think one reason for it is the way they're portraying themselves. I don't think I ever hear VP Harris talk about a glass ceiling or her heritage except in passing or in response to an attack. To me, it's very effective. I choose to see her as simply President, not Female, Black/Asian President. Those things don't define her - they inform her and make her even better.
You are right. It's the women who see what she is doing for them that talk about how she is breaking through the glass ceiling FOR THEM!!!! I think that's why her supporters are promoting tennis shoes (adorned with pearls and cats), to protect our feet from the broken glass. I noticed Kamala was wearing tennis shoes in the PA rally yesterday. Made me wonder!
Oooo, tennis shoes with pearls & cats! I'm on board! Where do I get a pair? (I'm allergic to cats, but I'm still a proud Childless Cat Lady, and I work in the jewelry industry.)
It’s always the year of the woman and in reality Harris will win because of who she is and the people who help her at all levels and not because she is a woman. Being a woman helps make her views on reproductive rights real and legitimate but people will vote for her because of who and what she is.
Exactly. The strength of women (and of anyone who is not a white male) comes from being seen as a human person, not defined by sex, race, color, disability, religion - just speaking the truth of what American stands for. To think I would hate Black people from Haiti because someone tells me to, is outrageous. I am willing to love because someone tells me to, but not to hate because I am asked to. I favor people who tell me to love, because love is a good thing. I close my ears to people who want me to hate. Regardless of their political party or what they look like or what they do for a living.
Janet, your list of strong women in this defining moment is inspiring (and the list could go on! ) but I don't feel like anyone is "letting" them succeed — they are cooly competent to take charge whether white men let them or not, and they're asserting the rights and responsibilities of all Americans, often in the face of corrupt and pathetic white men doing everything they can to prevent it. As my wife and I often say, there's no "let" among equals.
I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. In my mind, there is still bias at work when we see a woman as a woman, or a Black person as a Black person. I don't favor women because they are women, and I think true equality comes from not being seen as a woman, but as a person. I do not think that women have gotten to this point because others have "let" them rise. That's the kind of trope that Trump uses, i.e., people getting ahead because of DEI. DEI may operate to keep people from allowing their biases to hold qualified people back, but not for one minute do I think that unqualified women have been allowed to rise in their field. In fact, that's the very kind of discrimination that keeps women down. Or anyone in a marginalized group. Implicit bias (or explicit bias) is responsible for the trope.
It's good to come here and take in the optimism! I am worried that the fear-mongering in Ohio will lead to Sherrod Brown's loss -- but maybe it is so extreme that people will be repulsed? Or? What do you all think? Tester is also struggling. Just to say: Harris-Walz are consistently fantastic. I have never been so excited by the Pres and VP candidates!
I live in a red county in Ohio and I can tell you that the attack ads leveled @ Sherrod Brown by the Moreno/Trump camp are vicious and downright disgusting.Sherrod is being portrayed as someone who allows gender re- assignment surgery on minors in schools.Someone who approves of biological men playing on women’s sports teams also in the schools.It goes on and on all day and night.Sherrod Brown has been a wonderful Senator to Ohio for years representing the needs of the working class in particular.I hope his plight now will generate more$ interest$ in how critical it is to keep him in the US Senate.
When I'm fulminating, I wonder about how evil the hearts and minds of the creators of this kind of crap disinformation must be. They've lost their innate decency. Only their mothers could love them.
You are talking about people who feel so insecure about their worth that they need to denigrate others so they elevate themselves by looking down on their others. Now, look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are doing the same thing, instead of addressing the question of how to bypass their arguments - something that is proven works to change the narrative. Please think about this.
I do not have much money, but it is not a hardship to send each of them a few dollars from time to time (the excellent bakery in my village will survive on tourists). Those few dollars add up when other people who care about what kind of Congress we have do the same thing. We've done it before and we know it works.
Also. I suppose neo-Nazis getting involved in the Haitian hate is not a good look even for MAGA. They make the anti-immigration hate look as ugly as it is. So -- let's hope -- that digging into this anti-immigration evil will backfire. People might be willing to hate immigrants but not if it means that they have to ally themselves with neo-Nazis.
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I think the response of the public to all that is happening, including endorsements by Republicans of the Harris ticket, will carry Brown and Tester home to the Senate! How can good-hearted people not support Brown? Ditto Tester.
Maybe there are not as many good-hearted Ohioans as you think. It would be interesting to poll the 100,000 fans who fill Buckeye Stadium at OSU about who they want as President.
My favorite line in Broadcast News is when the senior executive asks Hunter, "What's it like to always be the smartest one in the room?" She gives him an anguished look and says "It's *awful*!" I know exactly what she means.
While clearly not being the smartest one in the room, I think it's often quite difficult to "think different" from just about anybody else. One has good ideas, or perhaps, in the spirit of good brainstorming, off-the-wall ideas, and *nobody* picks up on them.
On the other hand, as someone who frequently reads things written by better thinkers, I feel emboldened to say that sometimes my best response is to *start thinking* instead of spouting off with half-baked ideas.
You and I both know that Trump is the court jester they’re serving up while working to steal the election in plain sight. The aim after a short while is to invoke the 25th and install Vance as the president. He’s just as scary, but smarter than VonShitzInPantz. It’s no more complicated than the pseudo-intellectual comments on these subs make it out to be.
ugh, that link to the Drudge headlines unexpectedly included a photo of tffg with Loomer pressed against him gazing up into his face adoringly, ugh...
It's been a terrifying time for the Haitians in Springfield being threatened with violence due to the lies spewed by tffg and vance, and it motivates me even more to get letters out to encourage registered voters to vote early. We the People must keep working towards the goal of reaffirming that Harris-Walz is the right choice, the ONLY choice that is available to keep our country on track as a democracy. Project 2025 must be prevented from being implemented.
I know the polls are looking better than ever but still.. just keep on swimming.
Yes we do!! While texting with the DNC yesterday inviting folks to phonebank for Harris/Walz 90% of the responses were hostile/vulgar and people voting for tfg. There were actually complaints about Harris lying in the debate, FOUR times! I was so depressed when I got done. I'm feeling much better now after reading Robert's newsletter and all of these comments. Thank you!!
I hope we win Robert. I worry because hatred and propaganda have a very successful history—Nazis, Orban, etc. I just hope we don’t succumb to racism and xenophobia in 2024. And thank you for all you do to help us work against that outcome.
Sticking to several "mantras" about our way of democratic thinking is brilliant. The general statements Harris makes are backed by "this what we will do...." Also, emphasizing that loyalty demanded by/to the candidate is NOT the goal. This campaign includes ALL citizens working together. Not anger, retribution, denigrating others.
If you haven’t read HCR today, do. An excellent explanation of the strategy behind the attacks on Haitians. If you can, donate or work for Sherrod Brown; the GOP is throwing lots of money on ads to beat him in an effort to flip the Senate. They are doing the same in Montana with Tester. These are two important seats for us to hold.
I concur. Heather's substack is a must read, and this one was tightly focused. She posts it on her FB page as well, where one can also read worthwhile comments (the substack comments not so much).
As a Floridian, I’m energized despite the fact many of my neighbors are seduced by Trump. I also know there are many other “silent” neighbors supporting Team Harris/Walz. I’ve signed up with Neighbor2Neighbor. No apps ! 💙
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Robert writes: "Volunteers working to elect Kamala Harris should take confidence from the fact that their hard work is being respected by a candidate who remains on message. Imagine trying to generate enthusiasm and turnout for a candidate who lobs self-destructive political hand grenades into the news cycle each day." I think to myself, this is a good observation. The only reasons to vote for Trump/Vance are: 1) you still want lower taxes and to hell with the deficit, and/or 2) you hate "the other" and are OK with marginalizing and selectively deporting people who don't look like you. That last one is a remarkably effective way to think of those immigrants as objects, not people with their own fears and aspirations. Objectification seems to be a highly developed skill set of Donald Trump's. Vance is a quick study. Vote Blue up and down the ballot if you think even a little bit like me.
Is the sanewashing tide beginning to turn @ NYT? Online headline this am: "Trump Has Crossed a Truly Unacceptable Line." Lydia Polgren continues: "Trump may be diminished. But in his elevation of something akin to blood libel against a group of blameless legal immigrants who came to America from their strife-torn nation in search of a better life through hard work, like so many immigrants to our shores before them, he has proved himself a dangerous and malevolent figure whose menace must be confronted and defeated, fully and frontally, in this election."
The article you refer to is by an Opinion writer and not an NYT reporter's piece thus the opinion of a particular individual, not the NYT per se. I wish it was from a NYT reporter but....
Reading Heather Cox Richardson today it seems we should be also concerned about the recent Ohio attacks and scare tactics by JD Vance et al. She has outlined a clear strategy by the Trump outlaws to try to win over a critical Senate seat in Ohio which would potentially block Democratic efforts to pass effective legislation under Harris.
“ The widespread ridicule of Trump’s statement has obscured that this attack on Ohio’s immigrants is part of an attempt to regain control of the Senate. Convincing Ohio voters that the immigrants in their midst are subhuman could help Republicans defeat popular Democratic incumbent senator Sherrod Brown, who has held his seat since 2007. Brown and Montana’s Jon Tester, both Democrats in states that supported Trump in 2020, are key to controlling the Senate.
Two Republican super PACs, one of which is linked to Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), have booked more than $82 million of ad space in Ohio between Labor Day and the election and are focusing on immigration.
This by HCR:
Taking control of the Senate would enable Republicans not only to block all popular Democratic legislation, as they did with gun reform after the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, but to continue to establish control of America’s judicial system. So long as their judges are in place to make law from the bench, what the majority of Americans want doesn’t matter.
HCR flags a huge concern. In a Harris presidency, a Republican-controlled Senate would stymie from the get-go any chance we, or the nation, has to move forward. If they control the Senate and the House, our brilliant, capable new president would be hog-tied at least till the mid-terms and maybe beyond. We must control Congress. We must fix SCOTUS. Or we'll just tread water for four years.
Was sitting at a baseball game during s beautiful evening in NC next to a psychologist and we of course had a discussion about Trump. He made an interesting observation about why Trump surrounds himself with people like Loomer, Giuliani, Pillow Man , Michel Flynn and others and loves dictators. They make him feel important and loved and put up with his psychosis and the reason he surrounds himself with woman like Majorie Taylor Greene is they make him feel potent. I have no response to all of this except that the real danger Trump poses is the ability of others to manipulate him and it is happening right now. The stark contrast between Harris and Trump as candidates is the first time the two candidates are not different versions of the same politician.
I don't fully agree with your last sentence because there have been significant differences between candidates in the past, even when the cultural consensus about the issues was not divided. But I do agree whole-heartedly that the differences now are indeed grimly stark.
I read a post from Heather Cox Richard about all the hateful groups coming into Springfield, Ohio in addition to the filth out of the mouths of jd and
don-old. If you are on the fence about who to send a donation to I suggest two incumbent Senators. They are Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Jon Tester of Montana. We need them so the Democrats can control the Senate. Perhaps that’s why these vicious lies are being told about Springfield, Ohio. “When we fight, we win!”
Heather Cox Richardson suspects in her Letter for Friday that it’s about control in congress. Having Sherrod Brown ousted would block judges from being appointed. And certainly any Supreme Court justices. Or any laws being passed. Sigh. As much as I hated Manchin, this is why I really would have preferred that he run for senate once again. Ugh the filibuster cudgel to refuse to pass any laws with less than 60 votes is truly such a cudgel. And holding to that was Manchin and Sinema totally being played. Even so, as many seats as possible being warmed by Democrats is the goal. The existential goal.
Since many of us here are talking about the Haitians-in-Springfield problem, if you haven't already, I urge you to read HCR's most recent column, with gives us the history behind what's going on. I found it really helpful, even while being totally outraged. https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-13-2024
Vance is creating harm to people in his own state, and he'll blame it on immigrants who had nothing to do with the bombs or threats. What a pitiful senator.
Pitiful - NO! I have zero pity for him; I do for his wife (when is she going to wake up?) and children. Despicable, disgusting, heinous, lying, odious, and the like.
Thank you, Jocelyn B., for this link. Richardson makes it crystal clear that this insane, seemingly laughable insistence that cats and dogs are being eaten in Ohio is a cynical, cold-hearted, brazen move by JD Vance to agitate, falsely inflame, and ignite the racist and xenophobic fears, and basest instincts, of the people of Ohio--for the sole purpose of their not voting for Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH). It's an icy, sociopathic manipulation. Vance doesn't care if he and Trump look like fools and laugh-bait to the world, as long as they can stir up the hate in the hearts of Vance's fellow Ohioans so they vote for the MAGA guy, Moreno. Controlling the Senate in 2025 is worth Vance's looking like a fool.
The Law of Unintended Consequences:
1. JD Vance trolls Springfield to "harm" the Harris-Walz campaign.
2. Trump magnifies the effort in a so-called debate with Harris, ironically making him look even weirder.
3. Radical far-right extremists hear the dog (!) whistle call for violence, and participate against Springfield Hatians.
4. Several hundred thousand Florida Haitians get offended and vote for Harris in retribution.
5. Harris wins the election, having gained Florida's 30 Electoral votes.
We must not lose sight of the fact that as outrageous as the Republican nominees' lies and fantasies are, they're still consuming most of the oxygen. It takes the focus away from VP Harris at a time when voters need to get to know her. So we should put our efforts into supporting her and Tim, and let their opponents self-destruct on their own.
The difference in this election will be the small percentage of voters in 6-7 states who see through the Republican depravity and danger and when given a choice select a candidate they feel in their gut they can trust and will do the right thing.
I agree. MAGA supporters may love him for their individual reasons, but the Dems are the same in their love for the Harris/Walz ticket. I think that we will win everywhere. I think that the kindness in the people who are supporting Harris/Walz, from both parties and independents, is greater than the hate in the people rooting for the hate-filled MAGA's. The number of Republicans openly supporting the Harris/Walz ticket shows that kind people are tired of being assumed to be otherwise simply because they are quiet Republicans. Now they are speaking out. Now greater numbers of young people are registering to vote. Right now there is a phenomenon opposing the hateful phenomenon that he represents. We are repulsed by that hate. We are rising up!
Harris is a damn good speaker, and it's obvious she supports policies that lift people up. She wants to make life better for ordinary Americans, as Biden has done with policies like the Inflation Reduction Act partly because it's the right thing to do--people in Scandinavian countries are happier than people elsewhere because they don't have to worry about paying medical bills, losing their homes, and paying for their childrens' education, and those countries are thriving.
https://www.google.com/search?q=world+happiness+report%3A+Scandinavian+countries&oq=world+happiness+report%3A+Scandinavian+countries&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDk3NjFqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I sometimes try to imagine how it would feel not to be constantly stressed by those things. We ended up paying $400,000 in medical expenses for our child with multiple birth defects, and came very close to losing our home in the process. Her college tuition (it took her 6 years to complete -- but she did!!!) cost close to $100,000. I am 71 years old, and will be paying our mortgage for the next 14 years, which I can't do, so am sadly putting our home of 35 years on the market. STRESS has been a daily factor for me for the past 30 years. I know that it has contributed to the multiple autoimmune disease that I have to deal with on a daily basis.
I'm sorry to hear how hard you're struggling, but your story is not unique. I won't pay off my mortgage before I die, so the bank will get the house back, and I stress constantly about having enough money to pay the mortgage, buy food, just meet the basic necessities. I'm Trump's age, and I'm struggling because of the GOP policies that always always ALWAYS help the rich and hurt people like you and me. Stress is a daily visitor, so I understand your despair and frustration You're not alone, and you're stronger than you think. Congrats to your daughter for getting her degree, and all the best to you.
I'm so sorry to hear all of that. But I can well understand how all that could be so stressful. This is a superb article on that sort of thing.
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2015/04/the-science-of-scarcity
(btw we're the same age. I tell people I was born the first summer of the Eisenhower Administration.)
I am so sorry that the stress has so impacted your life and your well being. I feel it too and I'm sure the constant chaos and uncertainty are a major factor in the health issues I too am facing. Kudos to your family and your daughter! That is such a positive story to share!
this certainly sounds terribly stressful. I hope you have friends near you who you can blow off steam with. Too many people in our country just do'nt understand how much better off we'd be with more of a Scandinavian type of system.
Nice message.
We need the Trifecta. If we don't win the House and keep the Senate, having the Presidency will be negated. I hope Harris/Walz go to Montana and Ohio, specifically to rally for Jon Tester and Sherrod Brown.
THIS!!!
Right now it seems like the issues of immigrants and abortion are vying for each other. Which will win out. We need to amplify these stories so people are clear that fear of others is not greater then fear of ones own health care being destroyed.
I don't think they are so much vying for each other as they are adding to each other.
What do you mean? I know both Dems and Republicans care about each one, but I assume they will pick one to care about more, or how do you see these issues adding to each other?
I'm afraid that many (most?) of my Republican friends seem to still want to hang their hats on immigration...which is to say "fear". No matter what positive comments I might gently introduce into a conversation...the economy, the stock market, jobs reports..etc....they always fall back on "Yeah, but, what about the border." It's like a knee jerk reaction, as illogical (and nowadays, incorrect) as it is. They seem to like to have simple answers, I think. I remain optimistic that they may come to their senses! (and just not want to admit they've changed their minds!).
Brewmaster, It is unfortunate that the Democrats have allowed Republicans to define the immigration issue and they need to do so now. Forcing women to have babies is not happening, not in any country that has embraced birtherism, like Russia, and Hungary. In both of those countries, no matter what they do, they cannot get women to have more babies, in fact the circumstances they set up turn off women from having children. The same is happening here. Women who are well off maybe comfortable having a lot of children, the rest are not. So, if there are to be more babies of any kind and color, we need to be making this country more attractive to women to raise children in. Historically, even when abortion was illegal nationally, when there were hard times the rate of babies went down. That is what Russians have, what Hungarians have, what we will be having in a more pronounced way with Trump. At the same time we do not have enough Americans to keep our country running like it is. Get rid of immigrants like Trump plans to do and we will have a third world economy at best. ****
I live in Germany and the US. I have no Republican friends in either country and I believe you, but I did read this essay that explained why a lot of Trumpers are loyal to him and it has nothing to do with what will benefit them. It has to do with him valuing what they feel they represent. Here it is.
Reader comment by Robert Ritchie in Joyce Vance’s Substack on Sept 9, 2024
The Cult of Opposition: Understanding the Psychology Behind Trump’s Supporters
In modern political discourse, the relationship between leaders and their supporters often reflects a symbiotic exchange—one of mutual benefit. Typically, a leader provides tangible improvements to the supporters’ lives, who in turn offer their allegiance. However, Donald Trump's presidency introduced a paradigm shift that baffled many analysts. A significant portion of Trump’s base does not measure his success by what he does *for* them, but rather by what he does against those they consider adversaries. This phenomenon raises a critical question: why do Trump's supporters define his success not by policy achievements or personal benefit but by his ability to antagonize perceived enemies? In this research paper, we explore the psychology, sociocultural factors, and communication strategies behind this phenomenon, offering a deep dive into the mechanisms that sustain this unwavering loyalty.
The Psychology of "Othering"
At the heart of this dynamic lies a fundamental psychological concept known as *othering.* Othering refers to the process of creating a division between "us" and "them," where "them" are people deemed different or antagonistic to one's own group. Social identity theory posits that individuals derive part of their self-worth from their membership in groups (Tajfel & Turner, 1979). When Trump attacks certain groups—be they immigrants, Democrats, or marginalized communities—his supporters feel that their in-group (conservative, predominantly white Americans) is being validated. The "other," typically those outside their cultural or political bubble, becomes a target of scorn and aggression. By constantly positioning himself against these groups, Trump reassures his supporters that they are on the winning side of a cultural war.
This is where the success metrics diverge from typical political calculations. Success, in the eyes of Trump's supporters, is not rooted in economic growth or policy achievements, but in the symbolic victories won over those they disdain. Trump’s antagonistic rhetoric serves as a rallying cry for a base that measures success by how effectively he torments the "other."
Fear as a Unifying Emotion
The divisiveness Trump exploits is not built solely on disdain for others but on deep-rooted fear. Research has shown that political conservatism often correlates with heightened fear responses (Hibbing, Smith, & Alford, 2014). These fears manifest in concerns over demographic changes, perceived threats to cultural identity, and economic anxiety—particularly in the wake of globalization and immigration. For Trump’s base, he offers not only validation of their fears but also an outlet for their anxiety: the vilification of outsiders.
By acting against these outsiders—whether through harsh immigration policies, vilification of the media, or incendiary tweets targeting "leftist elites"—Trump provides a sense of catharsis to his supporters. It’s not about building bridges or creating new opportunities; it’s about protecting their identity and keeping perceived threats at bay. In their minds, Trump’s success is defined by his defense of the status quo against forces of change.
The Appeal of a Strongman
This dynamic is exacerbated by the allure of authoritarian leadership, often characterized by a leader who promises protection and order while silencing dissent. Trump's rhetoric—filled with hyperbole, aggressive language, and dismissive attitudes toward political correctness—resonates deeply with those who feel disempowered by societal changes. Studies have shown that authoritarian personalities are drawn to leaders who project strength and offer simple, binary solutions to complex problems (Feldman, 2003). Trump’s combative style against the "other" fits neatly into this framework.
In this context, Trump is seen as the protector, someone who will go to any length to defend his supporters from external threats. His aggressive behavior—though often condemned by critics—is perceived by his base as a strength. In their eyes, his relentless attacks on groups like the media, the "deep state," or racial minorities are evidence of his success as a leader willing to do whatever it takes to secure their safety and identity.
The Role of Media and Propaganda
An essential factor in maintaining this dynamic is the role of right-wing media in amplifying Trump’s actions *against* others while downplaying or ignoring any lack of substantive achievements. Fox News, Breitbart, and other conservative outlets often frame Trump’s attacks on immigrants, liberals, and the media as necessary battles in a larger cultural war. Through selective reporting, these outlets reinforce the idea that Trump’s presidency is less about improving the lives of his supporters through policy and more about the symbolic victories he achieves through opposition to their perceived enemies.
Trump himself understood the power of media manipulation, often stoking controversy to keep his name in the headlines. As noted by philosopher Hannah Arendt, in authoritarian regimes, propaganda serves to simplify the world into friend versus foe (Arendt, 1951). By keeping the public focused on his skirmishes against the "other," Trump ensured that his base remained engaged and energized, even when his policies provided little material benefit to their lives.
The Social Contract of Aggrievement
This relationship between Trump and his supporters can be understood as a kind of *social contract of aggrievement.* While traditional politicians offer economic benefits, infrastructure improvements, or social programs, Trump offers emotional validation. His base, particularly those who feel marginalized by economic shifts or demographic changes, finds solace in his outward displays of aggression. His ability to provoke outrage in the "other" reassures them that they are still relevant in a world they fear is changing too fast.
Interestingly, this contract does not require Trump to follow through on traditional metrics of success like job creation or healthcare reform. His supporters are not primarily concerned with how he improves their lives directly. Instead, they focus on how he reinforces their worldview—one where they are under constant attack and where Trump is their defender. This emotional satisfaction creates a loyalty that transcends policy, rooted instead in the shared sense of grievance and resentment.
Conclusion: A Loyalty That Transcends
In understanding Trump’s success, it is critical to recognize the unique metrics by which his supporters measure his achievements. His base does not primarily seek economic relief or policy victories; they seek validation of their fears and grievances. By acting *against* the "other," Trump provides emotional and psychological sustenance that traditional political figures often fail to deliver. His success, therefore, lies in his ability to symbolize and enact opposition rather than constructively improve the lives of his supporters. As long as Trump continues to antagonize those perceived as threats, his base will remain loyal, even in the absence of tangible benefits.
In the end, the tormenting of the "others" does more than sustain them—it defines them.
Thank-you for including this. Between foreign misinformation and the above issues, I am beginning to understand the inconceivable loyalty to Trump.
I"m totally with you on abortion. In fact, in tenth grade, for an assignment in my French class, to write about a cause we felt was very important, I wrote about the need for abortion.
But regarding immigration, we can't keep growing the population, or we will inflict ecological death on our country. In fact, not just in the US, but in Europe as well, and undoubtedly in China, the numbers of insects have shrunk to about half of what there were 50-60 years ago. Not surprisingly in a case like this, so have the numbers of all animals--mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish...
Several years ago, scientists published an article in Nature, one of the world's premier scientific journals, warning that population growth would make pandemics more frequent.
And among the major industrialized nations, the US, it should be noted, has the greatest per capita resource use and greenhouse emissions. If the whole world consumed at the rate of Americans, it would take 5 Earths to support the human population.
Just in case you're wondering, I'm not a Republican. My whole extended family, on both sides, are all democrats. My mother's uncle ran the Colorado Democratic Party for most of the first half of the 20th century. As a lawyer, he also litigated against the Klan.
I suspect I had the first HARRIS bumper sticker. I was so excited--unexpectedly so--when Biden passed the torch that I home-made it, and affixed it to the rear bumper on my Civic the day after Biden passed the torch. I'm extremely impressed with her, and I've given more money to her (and Biden, which of course went to her) and to other organizations such as Airlift.fund that are working on finding grass roots people who know how best to get people to vote Democratic. And I tell people that Biden was the best president of my lifetime--which began the first summer of the Eisenhower Administration.
As for anti-immigration feelings, I can tell you that my family of origin lived in Paris the year I was 12. I was mystified by the fact that the Parisians seemed to dislike Americans. As a kid, I used to approach foreigners and ask them about themselves--I was interested in them. No French person ever approached me in Paris.
I do understand it now. Paris was flooded with Americans, and the sheer numbers upset French people, along with their frequent lack of respect for French culture.
I do think that in this election, preserving Democracy is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than reducing immigration. Without Democracy, our hands are tied.
Linda, thank you for this information!
Brewmaster. The simple response on immigration is, “Why do tomatoes cost so much? Answer, there’s no body to pick them. Where do we find find people willing to pick? I’ll wait here for your answer”
Dave. Yup. In 2011, Georgia tried to crack down on illegal immigrants, relying on local workers to harvest crops. I believe workers showed up for less than a month resulting in rotting crops. A link to the story is below.
https://www.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html
Also, add in child care, house cleaning, building cleaning, meat industry, all crops, etc... people in agriculture know this, and yet, what do they believe about immigrants?
You could tell them that the border crossings they're so scared off have dropped to the lowest point in years--so few that the Biden administration is considering dropping some of the regulations: https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/migrant-crossings-plunge-near-level-lift-biden-border-crackdown/?intcid=CNM-00-10abd1h
If that doesn't convince them, then ask why, when you've presented facts they should find reassuring, they continue to cling to beliefs that scare them. See if you can find out WHY they prefer to live in fear. Most Rs seem to be frightened of everything. It would be interesting to find out why.
I know Republicans who mistakenly, in my opinion, simply think with Trump they pay less taxes and benefit.
I'm a Democrat who wants to see the US population stabilized--and there are plenty more like me. That would mean greatly reducing immigration--for environmental and quality of life reasons.
But more than anything else, I want us to retain our Democracy, and I want to see our president and our representatives pass policies that will lift people up. That means we need to elect Harris and Walz, and we need people on Capitol Hill--Democrats--who will support their policies.
The Supreme Court as it's currently constituted scares the crap out of me, but I'm so grateful to President Biden for having put Ketanji Brown Jackson--a brilliant Black woman who wants the best for Americans--on the Court.
I give $84/year to NumbersUSA, an immigration reduction group. But this year I've given over $700 to electing Democrats--the most I've ever given. (I gave around $500 in 2020.) And my donations may yet reach $800. I'm not supporting any GOPers. If we lose our Democracy, we've lost everything.
It's obvious that there are at least a few Republicans who care about maintaining our Democracy--Liz and Dick Cheney, for example. I hope there are more of them than we realize.
I am not sure if it is "fear" of the other as much as "anger". I listened to an interesting interview of author Arlie Hochschild, a sociologist, on NPR's "Here and Now" yesterday. The story is part of the series "Asking Appalachia: Coal, Trump and the politics of Eastern Kentucky." She spent 10 years in the area, and has written two books on the region. I would highly recommend listening to this explanation of why, and how, a significant demographic connects with T...'s rhetoric. https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2024/09/13/eastern-kentucky-shame-trump
Robin, the people who believe that millions of illegals are flooding our borders and drove trucks to stop them and then did not see a single one, are gullible and a danger. It might be fear or anger which is making these people so dangerous, but I feel that the paper makes a good case for the generic support of Trump. It is saying they fear that they are losing their relevance and that might make them angry. So, it would be an anger driven by fear of no longer being what they thought they were.
Thanks for publicizing my long-ago Berkeley professor's latest work (I took her class in 1974 or 1975). I was unaware of this but I will certainly listen! She also did some similar work in areas along the Mississippi River, which she wrote up in Strangers in their Own Land, which came out in the mid '10s. And, as an FYI, she's now 84 years old, and she just came out with the new book. Here's the NYT review, dated Sept 10:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/books/review/stolen-pride-arlie-russell-hochschild.html
It is necessary not to just talk about what is being done but also about what the trajectory leads to. What will be next beyond the immediate violence? What follows saying that migrants are vile creatures that steal pets to eat them?
The time to speak about the next steps is when we see the road that leads to them. Now is the time to talk about the mass deportations and purges and camps that an authoritarian will give us. If the candidate dehumanizes and promises retribution and deportations we need to take it seriously and make clear how deadly dangerous this will be for everyone, even those on the same side as the authoritarian.
There is plenty of history for reference. Roundups, deportations and purges are not new and we have evidence they are not done with care. No one is safe. Is there a neighbor or co-worker who might turn you in? There will be no one to go to and appeal that a mistake was made. The danger is around the corner. Let’s describe it now that we see it.
And Trump finally goes to jail.
I'm feeling like it's finally (!!!) the Year of the Woman. Including being able to indict a mess like Looney Loomer! Women this year are being seen as people first! Do you know what I mean? Kamala is holding her own. Taylor Swift is elegant and strong. Hillary Clinton has found her likable voice. We are being heard over the bluster of hot air bags like Trump and Vance and Cruz and the entourage of white men who want to put women and all other people in marginalized groups on the sidelines. I think we are being supported by white men strong and secure enough to let women rule. It took a long time, baby, but women have been willing to aim high, get up after being knocked down, and the world is ready for hands of all kinds to join together. America, the beautiful!
I think you hit the nail on the head, Janet: "Women this year are being seen as people first!" I think one reason for it is the way they're portraying themselves. I don't think I ever hear VP Harris talk about a glass ceiling or her heritage except in passing or in response to an attack. To me, it's very effective. I choose to see her as simply President, not Female, Black/Asian President. Those things don't define her - they inform her and make her even better.
You are right. It's the women who see what she is doing for them that talk about how she is breaking through the glass ceiling FOR THEM!!!! I think that's why her supporters are promoting tennis shoes (adorned with pearls and cats), to protect our feet from the broken glass. I noticed Kamala was wearing tennis shoes in the PA rally yesterday. Made me wonder!
Oooo, tennis shoes with pearls & cats! I'm on board! Where do I get a pair? (I'm allergic to cats, but I'm still a proud Childless Cat Lady, and I work in the jewelry industry.)
https://wwd.com/pop-culture/celebrity-news/kamala-harris-chucks-and-pearls-campaign-rally-georgia-1236563459/
It’s always the year of the woman and in reality Harris will win because of who she is and the people who help her at all levels and not because she is a woman. Being a woman helps make her views on reproductive rights real and legitimate but people will vote for her because of who and what she is.
Exactly. The strength of women (and of anyone who is not a white male) comes from being seen as a human person, not defined by sex, race, color, disability, religion - just speaking the truth of what American stands for. To think I would hate Black people from Haiti because someone tells me to, is outrageous. I am willing to love because someone tells me to, but not to hate because I am asked to. I favor people who tell me to love, because love is a good thing. I close my ears to people who want me to hate. Regardless of their political party or what they look like or what they do for a living.
Water though it may be, I'll drink to that...thanks, Janet!
Janet, your list of strong women in this defining moment is inspiring (and the list could go on! ) but I don't feel like anyone is "letting" them succeed — they are cooly competent to take charge whether white men let them or not, and they're asserting the rights and responsibilities of all Americans, often in the face of corrupt and pathetic white men doing everything they can to prevent it. As my wife and I often say, there's no "let" among equals.
I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. In my mind, there is still bias at work when we see a woman as a woman, or a Black person as a Black person. I don't favor women because they are women, and I think true equality comes from not being seen as a woman, but as a person. I do not think that women have gotten to this point because others have "let" them rise. That's the kind of trope that Trump uses, i.e., people getting ahead because of DEI. DEI may operate to keep people from allowing their biases to hold qualified people back, but not for one minute do I think that unqualified women have been allowed to rise in their field. In fact, that's the very kind of discrimination that keeps women down. Or anyone in a marginalized group. Implicit bias (or explicit bias) is responsible for the trope.
It's good to come here and take in the optimism! I am worried that the fear-mongering in Ohio will lead to Sherrod Brown's loss -- but maybe it is so extreme that people will be repulsed? Or? What do you all think? Tester is also struggling. Just to say: Harris-Walz are consistently fantastic. I have never been so excited by the Pres and VP candidates!
I think Ohio is better than Moreno and Moreno's craven hyper partisanship.
I live in a red county in Ohio and I can tell you that the attack ads leveled @ Sherrod Brown by the Moreno/Trump camp are vicious and downright disgusting.Sherrod is being portrayed as someone who allows gender re- assignment surgery on minors in schools.Someone who approves of biological men playing on women’s sports teams also in the schools.It goes on and on all day and night.Sherrod Brown has been a wonderful Senator to Ohio for years representing the needs of the working class in particular.I hope his plight now will generate more$ interest$ in how critical it is to keep him in the US Senate.
When I'm fulminating, I wonder about how evil the hearts and minds of the creators of this kind of crap disinformation must be. They've lost their innate decency. Only their mothers could love them.
You are talking about people who feel so insecure about their worth that they need to denigrate others so they elevate themselves by looking down on their others. Now, look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are doing the same thing, instead of addressing the question of how to bypass their arguments - something that is proven works to change the narrative. Please think about this.
It’s the only way they can win in their minds. The people of an Ohio should be outraged by the Republicans and a Harris needs to campaign there.
Ohio has often disproven that belief.
Agree. Hope DNC $ is helping Tester and Brown.
I do not have much money, but it is not a hardship to send each of them a few dollars from time to time (the excellent bakery in my village will survive on tourists). Those few dollars add up when other people who care about what kind of Congress we have do the same thing. We've done it before and we know it works.
I think Montana is better with Jon Tester than Tim Sheehy. And who is Tim Sheehy?
https://montanafreepress.org/2023/12/04/who-was-tim-sheehy-before-he-ran-for-senate/
Also. I suppose neo-Nazis getting involved in the Haitian hate is not a good look even for MAGA. They make the anti-immigration hate look as ugly as it is. So -- let's hope -- that digging into this anti-immigration evil will backfire. People might be willing to hate immigrants but not if it means that they have to ally themselves with neo-Nazis.
Here are the links to support their campaigns:
Sen. Sherrod Brown:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/
Sen. Jon Tester:
https://www.tester.senate.gov/
This is Jon Tester's official Senate website. His campaign website where we can donate is https://jontester.com/
Thank you!
?!?! There is no DONATE button or header on Tester's website. ?!?!
Per his senate.gov site "Pursuant to Senate Policy, petitions, opinion polls and unsolicited mass electronic communications cannot be initiated by this office for the 60-day period immediately before the date of a primary or general election. Subscribers currently receiving electronic communications from this office who wish to unsubscribe should click here."
https://jontester.com/ for campaign and donations
Thanks!
Thanks, Beth! That's just what I was looking for.
I think the response of the public to all that is happening, including endorsements by Republicans of the Harris ticket, will carry Brown and Tester home to the Senate! How can good-hearted people not support Brown? Ditto Tester.
Maybe there are not as many good-hearted Ohioans as you think. It would be interesting to poll the 100,000 fans who fill Buckeye Stadium at OSU about who they want as President.
Well, as a Californian, I only see liberals most of the time!
My favorite line in Broadcast News is when the senior executive asks Hunter, "What's it like to always be the smartest one in the room?" She gives him an anguished look and says "It's *awful*!" I know exactly what she means.
While clearly not being the smartest one in the room, I think it's often quite difficult to "think different" from just about anybody else. One has good ideas, or perhaps, in the spirit of good brainstorming, off-the-wall ideas, and *nobody* picks up on them.
On the other hand, as someone who frequently reads things written by better thinkers, I feel emboldened to say that sometimes my best response is to *start thinking* instead of spouting off with half-baked ideas.
Keep thinking Bob.
You and I both know that Trump is the court jester they’re serving up while working to steal the election in plain sight. The aim after a short while is to invoke the 25th and install Vance as the president. He’s just as scary, but smarter than VonShitzInPantz. It’s no more complicated than the pseudo-intellectual comments on these subs make it out to be.
ugh, that link to the Drudge headlines unexpectedly included a photo of tffg with Loomer pressed against him gazing up into his face adoringly, ugh...
It's been a terrifying time for the Haitians in Springfield being threatened with violence due to the lies spewed by tffg and vance, and it motivates me even more to get letters out to encourage registered voters to vote early. We the People must keep working towards the goal of reaffirming that Harris-Walz is the right choice, the ONLY choice that is available to keep our country on track as a democracy. Project 2025 must be prevented from being implemented.
I know the polls are looking better than ever but still.. just keep on swimming.
Yes we do!! While texting with the DNC yesterday inviting folks to phonebank for Harris/Walz 90% of the responses were hostile/vulgar and people voting for tfg. There were actually complaints about Harris lying in the debate, FOUR times! I was so depressed when I got done. I'm feeling much better now after reading Robert's newsletter and all of these comments. Thank you!!
I hope we win Robert. I worry because hatred and propaganda have a very successful history—Nazis, Orban, etc. I just hope we don’t succumb to racism and xenophobia in 2024. And thank you for all you do to help us work against that outcome.
Sticking to several "mantras" about our way of democratic thinking is brilliant. The general statements Harris makes are backed by "this what we will do...." Also, emphasizing that loyalty demanded by/to the candidate is NOT the goal. This campaign includes ALL citizens working together. Not anger, retribution, denigrating others.
As Kamala Harris has started saying:
Hard work is good work.
Thank you, Julie.
If you haven’t read HCR today, do. An excellent explanation of the strategy behind the attacks on Haitians. If you can, donate or work for Sherrod Brown; the GOP is throwing lots of money on ads to beat him in an effort to flip the Senate. They are doing the same in Montana with Tester. These are two important seats for us to hold.
I concur. Heather's substack is a must read, and this one was tightly focused. She posts it on her FB page as well, where one can also read worthwhile comments (the substack comments not so much).
As a Floridian, I’m energized despite the fact many of my neighbors are seduced by Trump. I also know there are many other “silent” neighbors supporting Team Harris/Walz. I’ve signed up with Neighbor2Neighbor. No apps ! 💙
“As a Neighbor2Neighbor volunteer, instead of being given a long list of strangers, you’ll get a short list of your neighbors, a simple script, some best practices, and a printable handout. There’s no app to download, and you can have these conversations on your own time. Sign up to receive the next ten closest doors when you're done!”
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From Simon Rosenberg yesterday:⬇️
Harris 50 - Trump 45 (+5) Morning Consult
Harris 47 - Trump 42 (+5) Ipsos/Reuters
Harris 49 - Trump 45 (+4) YouGov/Times (likely voters)
Harris 50 - Trump 47 (+3) Leger/NYPost
Harris 48 - Trump 45 (+3) SoCal
https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/kamala-won-polling-is-good-trump?r=fqsxl&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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Love that Kathy!! I don't think I have a Neighbor2Neighbor list here in SoCal. I'll have to check
Robert writes: "Volunteers working to elect Kamala Harris should take confidence from the fact that their hard work is being respected by a candidate who remains on message. Imagine trying to generate enthusiasm and turnout for a candidate who lobs self-destructive political hand grenades into the news cycle each day." I think to myself, this is a good observation. The only reasons to vote for Trump/Vance are: 1) you still want lower taxes and to hell with the deficit, and/or 2) you hate "the other" and are OK with marginalizing and selectively deporting people who don't look like you. That last one is a remarkably effective way to think of those immigrants as objects, not people with their own fears and aspirations. Objectification seems to be a highly developed skill set of Donald Trump's. Vance is a quick study. Vote Blue up and down the ballot if you think even a little bit like me.
It’s always been us against them because Republicans need an enemy to attack because they have very little else.
Is the sanewashing tide beginning to turn @ NYT? Online headline this am: "Trump Has Crossed a Truly Unacceptable Line." Lydia Polgren continues: "Trump may be diminished. But in his elevation of something akin to blood libel against a group of blameless legal immigrants who came to America from their strife-torn nation in search of a better life through hard work, like so many immigrants to our shores before them, he has proved himself a dangerous and malevolent figure whose menace must be confronted and defeated, fully and frontally, in this election."
When they start calling him a domestic terrorist, I MIGHT begin to consider them a news organization again.
The article you refer to is by an Opinion writer and not an NYT reporter's piece thus the opinion of a particular individual, not the NYT per se. I wish it was from a NYT reporter but....
It also wasn't on the "front page" online either. I had to do a search to find it. Here's a gift link if anyone wants to read it. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/14/opinion/trump-debate-haitians-pets.html?unlocked_article_code=1.K04.D5Nf.yqr3OpW9Mojj&smid=url-share
Reading Heather Cox Richardson today it seems we should be also concerned about the recent Ohio attacks and scare tactics by JD Vance et al. She has outlined a clear strategy by the Trump outlaws to try to win over a critical Senate seat in Ohio which would potentially block Democratic efforts to pass effective legislation under Harris.
“ The widespread ridicule of Trump’s statement has obscured that this attack on Ohio’s immigrants is part of an attempt to regain control of the Senate. Convincing Ohio voters that the immigrants in their midst are subhuman could help Republicans defeat popular Democratic incumbent senator Sherrod Brown, who has held his seat since 2007. Brown and Montana’s Jon Tester, both Democrats in states that supported Trump in 2020, are key to controlling the Senate.
Two Republican super PACs, one of which is linked to Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), have booked more than $82 million of ad space in Ohio between Labor Day and the election and are focusing on immigration.
This by HCR:
Taking control of the Senate would enable Republicans not only to block all popular Democratic legislation, as they did with gun reform after the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, but to continue to establish control of America’s judicial system. So long as their judges are in place to make law from the bench, what the majority of Americans want doesn’t matter.
HCR flags a huge concern. In a Harris presidency, a Republican-controlled Senate would stymie from the get-go any chance we, or the nation, has to move forward. If they control the Senate and the House, our brilliant, capable new president would be hog-tied at least till the mid-terms and maybe beyond. We must control Congress. We must fix SCOTUS. Or we'll just tread water for four years.
Was sitting at a baseball game during s beautiful evening in NC next to a psychologist and we of course had a discussion about Trump. He made an interesting observation about why Trump surrounds himself with people like Loomer, Giuliani, Pillow Man , Michel Flynn and others and loves dictators. They make him feel important and loved and put up with his psychosis and the reason he surrounds himself with woman like Majorie Taylor Greene is they make him feel potent. I have no response to all of this except that the real danger Trump poses is the ability of others to manipulate him and it is happening right now. The stark contrast between Harris and Trump as candidates is the first time the two candidates are not different versions of the same politician.
I don't fully agree with your last sentence because there have been significant differences between candidates in the past, even when the cultural consensus about the issues was not divided. But I do agree whole-heartedly that the differences now are indeed grimly stark.
I read a post from Heather Cox Richard about all the hateful groups coming into Springfield, Ohio in addition to the filth out of the mouths of jd and
don-old. If you are on the fence about who to send a donation to I suggest two incumbent Senators. They are Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Jon Tester of Montana. We need them so the Democrats can control the Senate. Perhaps that’s why these vicious lies are being told about Springfield, Ohio. “When we fight, we win!”
Heather Cox Richardson suspects in her Letter for Friday that it’s about control in congress. Having Sherrod Brown ousted would block judges from being appointed. And certainly any Supreme Court justices. Or any laws being passed. Sigh. As much as I hated Manchin, this is why I really would have preferred that he run for senate once again. Ugh the filibuster cudgel to refuse to pass any laws with less than 60 votes is truly such a cudgel. And holding to that was Manchin and Sinema totally being played. Even so, as many seats as possible being warmed by Democrats is the goal. The existential goal.
Since many of us here are talking about the Haitians-in-Springfield problem, if you haven't already, I urge you to read HCR's most recent column, with gives us the history behind what's going on. I found it really helpful, even while being totally outraged. https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-13-2024
Vance is creating harm to people in his own state, and he'll blame it on immigrants who had nothing to do with the bombs or threats. What a pitiful senator.
Pitiful - NO! I have zero pity for him; I do for his wife (when is she going to wake up?) and children. Despicable, disgusting, heinous, lying, odious, and the like.
Thank you, Jocelyn B., for this link. Richardson makes it crystal clear that this insane, seemingly laughable insistence that cats and dogs are being eaten in Ohio is a cynical, cold-hearted, brazen move by JD Vance to agitate, falsely inflame, and ignite the racist and xenophobic fears, and basest instincts, of the people of Ohio--for the sole purpose of their not voting for Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH). It's an icy, sociopathic manipulation. Vance doesn't care if he and Trump look like fools and laugh-bait to the world, as long as they can stir up the hate in the hearts of Vance's fellow Ohioans so they vote for the MAGA guy, Moreno. Controlling the Senate in 2025 is worth Vance's looking like a fool.
Agreed! HCR's writings really help keep things clear! Vance (and tffg) are such scum bags ....