Good advice and perspective, Robert, Thank you! I listened to Ali Velshi read the entire indictment. https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/why-you-should-listen-to-the-indictment-of-donald-trump-181702213911 What struck me was these documents on military plans and nuclear weapons and who knows what else were NOT something that even a President could just wave his little hands over and declassify. The classifying agency needs a say and the process should have strict guidelines and process. It should never be up to one person especially the President who gets his clearance simply by election rather than on merit, integrity and the discipline to keep his mouth shut. This episode along with the Pence and Biden documents indicates the US must tighten up its classification and use process so that each document is tracked, has a documented chain of custody and never leaves its SCIF. If I were another country I certainly wouldn't share any secrets with the U.S. government which is one of the reasons this is a big deal.
Excellent post here, bringing home the point that it's up to us, the voters, ~not~ a judge or prosecutor or jury, to ensure that the former guy or other comparably corrupt, toxic, wacko extremist gets to the White House.
Also see this evening's Joyce Vance post on Civil Discourse for some discussion of constraints on Judge Cannon, the prospects for recusal (spoiler: don't get your hopes up), potential prosecution strategies, and lots more. https://joycevance.substack.com/p/the-week-ahead-4d4
Having read the full indictment, I cannot think the trial of our spoiled brat, infant horrilibis should be our focus.
Richard Nixon was tried and convicted by the American public as more evidence came out in congressional hesrings, not by the trial he never received. Nixon has gone down in history as a criminal rat without a defense.
TFG will be shocked by the unrelenting poisonous vapers seeping out of the indictment and related press stories. The crimes are so rationally and clearly delineated in the indictment, that Trump's allies will only be made more and more foolish the longer they stand up for him and deny his attack on American democracy.
I'm hoping the will begin the slow bleed out of citizen Donald Trump. If his diehard supporters get him through the Republican presidential nomination for 2024, the Party will have achieved its final dramatic suicide.
Democratic chances for a BLUE landslide in 2024 keep getting better.
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Your newsletter tonight is a wonderful antidote to my Aileen Cannon fears - thank you, Robert. It's not an antidote in a Kumbaya-everything-will-be-OK way; but rather in a splash-of-cold-water-reality way. Initially, when I found myself in a sudden state of high anxiety after hearing she would be the judge, I realized that I'd started believing this case could be the key to preventing a second Trump presidency. Under my personal cloud of angst, I did a little research that forced me to realize conviction under the Espionage Act wouldn't lock T out of the presidency. I imagine many people are confused on that point. Your clarification of the purposes - and limitations - of this case splashed more cold water on my wishful thinking/ incorrect understanding of the Espionage Act. I think I'll be able to move forward, pushing for and appreciating all the case CAN do, while continuing to do all I can to get Joe Biden reelected.
Silly question (maybe) but if a convicted felon can’t vote while in custody, how can a convicted felon be President of the US if Trump is found guilty of Espionage against the US? A car thief has less rights than a post President that steals classified top secrets? That’s an open door for abuse of power.
There is no way to calculate all of the damage done by Donald Trump's ascent into our national dialog. He picked loose the scab that our country was attempting to use to cover the divide that started The Great Civil War. Like then, this attack on our national decency will also be defeated, albeit with great pain and consternation. The inevitable submission of this uprising will take place at the polls. Our fellow citizens need to send the correct message to those attempting to disrupt America. Every concerned American has at their disposal 2 such weapons..1) the right to vote and 2. ) The exercise of that right. Let us not wring our hands in despair. Let us use the tools the Constitution has given us.
The Fintan O Toole article is excellent and would recommend everyone to read it. Robert is dead on that our work is at the polls. The issue is the continual trauma we will not be able to ignore in the next two years. Thanks Robert
I think Robert is absolutely right. We cannot become a hostage to the unpredictable course of this trial, diverting our attention from the work it will take to ensure that Donald Trump never again becomes president. That is the job of democracy.
If one is looking for consolation, whatever the impact on the Republican base, it seems more likely than not that this indictment, and the one or more to follow , will add to the fatigue and aversion to Trump building among the independent and suburban voters, who will play a critical role in 2024. In the eyes of many, it will become increasingly obvious that he is too self- involved, and unstable to return to the White House.
Jun 12, 2023·edited Jun 12, 2023Liked by Robert B. Hubbell
Don't sell yourself short, Robert. Your incredibly clear way with words is plenty good enough for this layperson, but am happy to read what others have to say whether or not they pass the clarity test. Thank you!
THIS is just one of the reasons why I truly value your newsletter. A perfect recap of the legal aspects and ramifications - from one who knows. Thank you, Robert Hubbell!
Now, back to winning with a Blue Tsunami - the Blue Trifecta of 2024! The GQP is damaged beyond repair. Our President is doing his job very well as the world focuses on a circus. People are ready for some plain old competent governance. The MAGAs are far from a majority. They shouldn't get the majority of attention.
Good advice and perspective, Robert, Thank you! I listened to Ali Velshi read the entire indictment. https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/why-you-should-listen-to-the-indictment-of-donald-trump-181702213911 What struck me was these documents on military plans and nuclear weapons and who knows what else were NOT something that even a President could just wave his little hands over and declassify. The classifying agency needs a say and the process should have strict guidelines and process. It should never be up to one person especially the President who gets his clearance simply by election rather than on merit, integrity and the discipline to keep his mouth shut. This episode along with the Pence and Biden documents indicates the US must tighten up its classification and use process so that each document is tracked, has a documented chain of custody and never leaves its SCIF. If I were another country I certainly wouldn't share any secrets with the U.S. government which is one of the reasons this is a big deal.
The fact that he can still run for president while being charged under the ESPIONAGE act is insane. We need an amendment to the constitution.
Excellent post here, bringing home the point that it's up to us, the voters, ~not~ a judge or prosecutor or jury, to ensure that the former guy or other comparably corrupt, toxic, wacko extremist gets to the White House.
Also see this evening's Joyce Vance post on Civil Discourse for some discussion of constraints on Judge Cannon, the prospects for recusal (spoiler: don't get your hopes up), potential prosecution strategies, and lots more. https://joycevance.substack.com/p/the-week-ahead-4d4
Having read the full indictment, I cannot think the trial of our spoiled brat, infant horrilibis should be our focus.
Richard Nixon was tried and convicted by the American public as more evidence came out in congressional hesrings, not by the trial he never received. Nixon has gone down in history as a criminal rat without a defense.
TFG will be shocked by the unrelenting poisonous vapers seeping out of the indictment and related press stories. The crimes are so rationally and clearly delineated in the indictment, that Trump's allies will only be made more and more foolish the longer they stand up for him and deny his attack on American democracy.
I'm hoping the will begin the slow bleed out of citizen Donald Trump. If his diehard supporters get him through the Republican presidential nomination for 2024, the Party will have achieved its final dramatic suicide.
Democratic chances for a BLUE landslide in 2024 keep getting better.
Your newsletter tonight is a wonderful antidote to my Aileen Cannon fears - thank you, Robert. It's not an antidote in a Kumbaya-everything-will-be-OK way; but rather in a splash-of-cold-water-reality way. Initially, when I found myself in a sudden state of high anxiety after hearing she would be the judge, I realized that I'd started believing this case could be the key to preventing a second Trump presidency. Under my personal cloud of angst, I did a little research that forced me to realize conviction under the Espionage Act wouldn't lock T out of the presidency. I imagine many people are confused on that point. Your clarification of the purposes - and limitations - of this case splashed more cold water on my wishful thinking/ incorrect understanding of the Espionage Act. I think I'll be able to move forward, pushing for and appreciating all the case CAN do, while continuing to do all I can to get Joe Biden reelected.
Silly question (maybe) but if a convicted felon can’t vote while in custody, how can a convicted felon be President of the US if Trump is found guilty of Espionage against the US? A car thief has less rights than a post President that steals classified top secrets? That’s an open door for abuse of power.
There is no way to calculate all of the damage done by Donald Trump's ascent into our national dialog. He picked loose the scab that our country was attempting to use to cover the divide that started The Great Civil War. Like then, this attack on our national decency will also be defeated, albeit with great pain and consternation. The inevitable submission of this uprising will take place at the polls. Our fellow citizens need to send the correct message to those attempting to disrupt America. Every concerned American has at their disposal 2 such weapons..1) the right to vote and 2. ) The exercise of that right. Let us not wring our hands in despair. Let us use the tools the Constitution has given us.
The Fintan O Toole article is excellent and would recommend everyone to read it. Robert is dead on that our work is at the polls. The issue is the continual trauma we will not be able to ignore in the next two years. Thanks Robert
I think Robert is absolutely right. We cannot become a hostage to the unpredictable course of this trial, diverting our attention from the work it will take to ensure that Donald Trump never again becomes president. That is the job of democracy.
If one is looking for consolation, whatever the impact on the Republican base, it seems more likely than not that this indictment, and the one or more to follow , will add to the fatigue and aversion to Trump building among the independent and suburban voters, who will play a critical role in 2024. In the eyes of many, it will become increasingly obvious that he is too self- involved, and unstable to return to the White House.
Thank you thank you thank you for this superb analysis of what we can anticipate. Specifically, thank you for the explanation about the process.
Don't sell yourself short, Robert. Your incredibly clear way with words is plenty good enough for this layperson, but am happy to read what others have to say whether or not they pass the clarity test. Thank you!
We HAVE beaten Trump before and we CAN do it again! Thank you Robert for
your level headed essay.
Thank you, Robert, for your exceptionally clear and wise analysis! Your humor and dedication to reader understanding also are appreciated immensely.
Thans for the "eat your vegetables" lecture. There are several people posting at Civil Discourse tonight who have fallen down Alice's rabbit hole.
THIS is just one of the reasons why I truly value your newsletter. A perfect recap of the legal aspects and ramifications - from one who knows. Thank you, Robert Hubbell!
Now, back to winning with a Blue Tsunami - the Blue Trifecta of 2024! The GQP is damaged beyond repair. Our President is doing his job very well as the world focuses on a circus. People are ready for some plain old competent governance. The MAGAs are far from a majority. They shouldn't get the majority of attention.
Oh! How I love this newsletter!